Torah Temimah Takes on Another Tosafos (and Shulchan Aruch)

by rabbifink on December 18, 2012 · 15 comments

Biblical_JosephParshas Miketz turns our attention to the story of Joseph’s meteoric rise to the Second in Command of Egypt. The Torah goes out of its way to tell us that Joseph and his wife had two sons before the years of famine began.

The Babylonian Talmud in Taanis (11a) picks up on this (Translation – Soncino). “Resh Lakish said: A man may not have marital relations during years of famine, as it is said, And unto Joseph were born two sons before the year of famine came.”

The reasoning for this rule is apparently that it is wrong to add the burden of additional children at a time where resources are scarce. This is a lovely message. However Rashi in Taanis says the reason for this statement is that one should participate in the pain of the famine and since marital relations are pleasurable one should refrain from relations while others are suffering.

The Torah Temimah quotes Tosafos in Taanis who asks how Yocheved could have been born while Jacob and his clan were moving from Israel to Egypt if it was a time of famine (assuming that she was conceived during the famine) as per the Midrash that states Yocheved was born at that time? Tosafos answer that this rule was only a stringency kept by super righteous people like Joseph.

The Torah Temimah is not happy with this answer. First of all, Levi was Yocheved’s father. By all accounts he was a super righteous person. Moses has high praise for Levi in his blessings at the end of the Chumash. Further, the tribe of Levi did not sin at the Golden Calf because they were so super righteous!

Instead the Torah Temimah attempt to either interpret the words of Tosafos or offer his own answer to their question (it’s unclear to me). (I am paraphrasing the Torah Temimah here). He says that really it is permissible to engage in marital relations during a time of famine. There is no reason to add additional pain at a difficult time and relations are pleasurable. It’s not reasonable to ban pleasure when times are tough. It’s just that for someone like Joseph who was living in ivory towers in the lap of luxury it would have been inappropriate for him to engage in such pleasurable activities while his people were suffering through a famine. Joseph was joining in the pain of his people and as long as they were in famine he would not give himself the pleasure of marital relations.

With this explanation there is no question from Levi because Jacob and his family were certainly suffering due to the famine so they would have no such restrictions on them. This also explains the subsequent statement in the Talmud. That is: Our Rabbis have taught: When Israel is in trouble and one of them separates himself from them, then the two ministering angels who accompany every man come and place their hands upon his head and say, ‘So-and-so who separated himself from the community shall not behold the consolation of the community’. In other words, one who wants to associate with the suffering of the group sees the group comforted.

These two ideas are now related in a way that explains why they are stated back to back in the Talmud.

In closing the Torah Temimah has some reservations about this idea, although it fits perfectly, he says “it’s new” and it needs a lot of investigation and studying.

Interestingly, the Shulchan Aruch (O.C 574) paskens that one should refrain from engaging in marital relations during a famine. So it seems that the Torah Temimah would disagree with that psak. Maybe.

Read the Torah Temimah here: PDF

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509509604 Shlomo Pill

    “The reasoning for this rule is apparently that it is wrong to add the burden of additional children at a time where resources are scarce.”

    I gather that this is your common-sense interpretation of the underlying rationale for the Gemarah’s rule. Wondering why you came to this conclusion: Isn’t Rashi’s explanation the more obvious and textual one? After all, the Gemarah emphasizes that one should not have marital relations during a famine, not that one should not father children during a famine.

    • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

      I was just trying to make Rashi more dramatic. :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509509604 Shlomo Pill

        Got it.

        BTW, this Torah Temimah stuff is great. I hope you are keeping track of it, and thinking about unifying themses to his methodology or the like, because this is the stuff great books are made of (I am working on two such books with Rabbi Broyde now, and it has really opened my eyes to the scholarship/publication potential in this kind of stuff).

        • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

          Thanks.

          I was once taught by a rebbe of mine (can’t remember who) that one should always guess the pshat before reading Rashi and then after reading Rashi one should think about why Rashi learned differently.

          I am going through the TT every week. I write about the most interesting TT I find in the parsha. I guess I am making mental notes about his methodology and his approach based on the other TTs I am reading. I don’t believe I have the capacity to write intelligently on a subject like that. But who knows….?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=20549 Daniel Ungar

            Torah Temimah has always been one of my favorite perushim. A particularly noteworthy commentary is coming up in Parshas Bo, regarding Makat Choshech. Contrary to Rashi who explains that the darkness was a palpable “thickness” that pervaded the air, the Torah Temimah suggests that Choshech was merely in the eyes of the Egyptians, and the mechanics of the plague were that they were afflicted with cataracts. I distinctly remember hearing that in Ner Yisroel, Rabbi Ruderman banned the Torah Temimah from the bais medrash because of this commentary, because it evidences a reluctance to explain the pshat with a miraculous occurrence (even though the Torah Temimah prefaces his remarks with “לולי דמסתפינא”), and that even to this day, Ner Yisroel has no copies in the bais, only in the stacks.

            • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

              SPOILER ALERT!!!

  • http://2nd-son.blogspot.com/ G*3

    > The Torah goes out of its way to tell us that Joseph and his wife had two sons before the
    years of famine began.

    What does it mean for the Torah to “out of its way” to tell us something? It’s talking about what Yoseph was doing, gathering crops in preparation for the coming famine, and mentions
    that he had two sons in that period. Why attach any significance at all to that? And even if it is significant, how does one make the logical leap that, because his sons were born before the famine, that means that he stopped sleeping with his wife during the famine? Perhaps the Torah is just telling us about a time in Yoseph’s life which was full of good things – he was made a powerful man, he gathered plentiful crops, and he had sons.

    I know it’s heretical to say this about a gemara, but the entire premise is a bit ridiculous. Suppose I told you about a great restaurant I ate in as a teenager. Would you infer from the fact that I mentioned I was a teenager at the time that after I reached my twenties I refrained from eating in restaurants?

    • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

      Reading the verse, it does seem to be a strange to note when the boys were born in relation to the famine. It’s considered extra information. As you know, extra information gets darshaned.

      I agree that the logical leap is lacking. But to Chazal it was not lacking. Or perhaps it was lacking and they weren’t drawing a logical conclusion, rather they were making an observation and proposing a reason for the observation and it was later interpreted as a logical conclusion. Who knows?

      But this is not a post about Talmudic exegesis. It’s a post about post-Talmudic interpretation of the Talmud.

  • Yonah

    There’s a Ritva that says that we only have to be concerned with jews suffering during famine etc.
    That explains why Yaakov and family didn’t need to avoid having relations due to so called “random masses” suffering from famine.
    (I personally am not fond of interpretations that make it seem as though gentiles are not our concern,even to a arguably minor extent.)
    On the other hand Yosef didn’t know that his family had stockpiled food and wasnt affected by the famine,therefore he avoided relations during the famine.

    • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

      There are actually a bunch of rishonim and achronim on the sugya and in shulchan aruch dealing with Tosafos. They all take this question very seriously.

      • Yonah

        What do you think about the idea of only being concerned with jews suffering to the exclusion of gentiles?

        • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

          Very Zoharic. I’m not a fan.

          • Yonah

            Fair enough

            • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

              If you are new around here, I forgive the question. :) But regular readers know how I feel about these issues.

              • Yonah

                You’re right,I should have known better.

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