Rabbi Shmuley is More Embarrassing than Pearlperry Reich on the Dr. Phil Show (and analysis)

by rabbifink on March 5, 2012 · 55 comments

I spent 45 minutes of my life watching Pearl Perry Reich, her boyfriend Shauly and Rabbi Shmuley on the Dr. Phil Show. It was mortifying. But not because Perry and Shauly can’t speak proper English. Nor was it because of their accusations against the ultra-orthodox community. It was not because of the spectacle she has made of her private affairs.

No. The most embarrassing part of the show was Rabbi Shmuley. Over and over again he made me cringe. He managed to use another person’s painful story into an opportunity to hawk his books, ignore the issues, lie about orthodox Judaism, but most of all, Rabbi Shmuley made the show about him. It was not supposed to be about him. But he did everything he could to make it about him. Ugh.

He mentions the name of his book on relationships and intimacy at least 4 times. Rabbi, citing yourself as authority is lame. Super lame. I have never read his book but I can say with certainty that one can write a book about relationships and intimacy from the Jewish perspective that sounds completely different than his and still be true to Torah sources. That’s because there are hundreds, if not thousands, of perspectives on these issues found in our tradition. Hawking your way as the only way things happen, or even worse, the only way of truth is the biggest lie out there. Ugh.

Rabbi Shmuley doesn’t listen to Dr. Phil or Ms. Reich. He doesn’t get that she actually is losing custody of her kids because she isn’t as religious as her husband. Countless times he says to her (paraphrasing) “I am sorry to hear about your situation but that is not really the way it is in orthodox Judaism.” Why does he care so much to establish how it is or is not in orthodox Judaism? Because his book is predicated on a make -believe version of Jewish marriage. It’s as if he is afraid if people hear anything negative from our community it will cannibalize book sales. Ugh.

Rabbi Shmuley also lies in front of the entire world. He says that orthodox Judaism would have no problem with a female model. This is ludicrous. A person can do whatever they choose. But to expect that the orthodox world will have no problem with a model in their community is a bold-faced lie. Esther Petrack is a shomer shabbos modern orthodox girl who had or has aspirations to be a model and she was shunned and summarily tossed from her modern orthodox community for her modeling. To pretend that orthodox Jewish communities are cool with models is borderline insanity. This is the same community that blurs the faces of young girls in publications and photoshops women out of pictures! What are you smoking Rabbi Shmuley?! Ugh.

Ms. Reich (with Dr. Phil’s help) tries to make one point over and over again. Her point is that by marrying ultra-orthodox children off at a young age and expecting them to have a baby every 18-24 months, by the time they mature into young adults with their own ideas and aspirations that may be at odds with the community, they have 3-4 kids who are “ultra-orthodox”. If you are on a different wave-length than your spouse and you leave the community, you lose your kids. You are stuck. You need to choose between your children and personal happiness. Rabbi Shmuley COMPLETELY ignores this. Completely. It’s as if Rabbi Shmuley never heard of the insular communities of Williamsburg, New Square, Kiryas Joel, or the less insular but still similar communities of Boro Park and Lakewood. It’s as if every single couple that meets 2, 3, 4, or 5 times is somehow madly in love and completely certain of their choice to marry. It bothers me so much that he just acts as if this is not true. It is true. At least in many, many cases. Either Rabbi Shmuley is lying or he is the most severely unqualified self-proclaimed America’s Rabbi in the history of self proclaimed America’s Rabbis. EVERYONE knows that orthodox couples get married young with minimal dating. Especially the ones that are less engaged with the non-orthodox world.

To me, this is the issue. I don’t think it is a conspiracy from on high. I also don’t think there is malice. But it is a reality. It is literally impossible to create and enforce a hermetically sealed community in 2012. Information is too readily available, the Internet changed all that. There is zero chance that a community will remain 100% isolated from the world at large. Fact. People who marry at a young age that have children as per the script may find that their current situation is not desirable to them and they may want to leave or adjust their lives. This is inevitable.

This leaves several options. One option is to enforce insularity and hope it works for everyone. If it doesn’t work for a few individuals it is collateral damage. In this view, Reich is collateral damage. She wants to leave, she is hurt, she is unhappy, let her go. Whatever happens to her is out of our hands. A second option is to recognize that the insular community is not appealing to everyone and help bridge the gap between her desires to spread her wings and the reality of the family situation. I think this is what happens in less insular communities. It has to happen that way because when there is engagement with the outside world, tolerance is inevitable. A third option is to disband insular communities. I’ll keep dreaming…

I don’t know any of the details of Ms. Reich’s life or her situation. But I do know that her story follows a familiar track. She is not the only person to feel the way she does. She may have taken the fight public or gone to greater extremes than others who feel as she does, but I am certain that her situation is not unique at all. I have been consulted by people who have similar feelings. I know there are more out there. Again, the people I have spoken with are not yelling and screaming like Ms. Reich. Nor have they moved from one extreme to the other with such gusto. But they are thinking that the decisions they made in the early 20′s are not the same decisions they would make later in life. Some of them feel stuck. It’s quiet and civil, not loud and antagonistic. But then again, they are not faced with losing their children. I imagine if that were the case, they would empathize even more with Ms. Reich.

I think Rabbi Shmuley is making a grave error by pretending that everything is perfect everywhere. A storm is brewing. It’s time to batten down the hatches. It is not time to lie and sell books. I also think that Ms. Reich’s opponents are in a lose-lose situation. But they are making one very big mistake. They seem to think that Ms. Reich is a problem that must be dealt with. The truth is that Pearl Perry Reich is a symptom of a problem. She is not the problem. The sooner this is understood in the ultra-orthodox community the sooner the causes of those symptoms can be addressed.

Link: Dr. Phil (only portions are online). Some parts are on YouTube as well

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  • Ari

    I think the problem goes one level deeper than even you think.  The problem is that for society having children is a net cost on the parents.  Ihildren do not produce any economic good for two decades or more and when they do, that economic good is bestowed upon the tax system in general, and not the parents in particular.  This socializes the benefit of children and privatizes the cost.

    For the irreligious, the answer is simple:  don’t have kids or don’t have many kids.

    For the insular, religious communities the answer is to put pressure on people to have kids.

    The drawbacks of both of these models is obvious.  For the irreligious, the problem is that without enough kids, how can society continue?  Population loss is beginning in Eastern Europe and will soon begin in places like East Asia and Western Europe.  With it will come economic decay and other problems.

    For the insular, religious communities, the problems are as you noted above.

    The problem is that this is a tough problem and that there are no good answers.

    But it seems to me that recognizing that the secular system has its problems (albeit ones that are less obvious and worrisome to a contemporary, irreligious person) can be at least a small part of the solution.  After all, if you realize that the grass is not really greener over there, you will desire your neighbor’s lawn just a little less.

    • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

      Excellent points.

  • BenzyC

    It would be nice, not probable tough, if young chasiddishe/charedi/ultra orthodox/orthodox couples were allowed to take birth control for a year or two to develop their new relationship and themselves before going straight to the parenthood stage. Give them a chance to take stock of their lives and if needs be make necessary changes.

    • Ari

       I wonder what the effects of that would be in the long term?  Female fertility tends to fall a lot more quickly than people would guess.  A woman’s fertility drops by about half by the time she’s 27.  I bet a policy like that would have a lot of unintended consequences.

      • Queenkaren2001

        Ari, I totally agree with you.  I think one of the main reasons women get stuck is the fact that they have so many children so soon they have no options whatsoever. 

      • deeemer

        If women are marrying as young as 18 or 21, waiting a year isn’t going to have a substantial effect on female fertility.

        • Ari

           Deemer,
          I married a 19 year old.  We waited to have kids.  I’m saying that as full disclosure.  But that said, I can easily see how a year or two can turn into ten.  It’s just so easy without kids.  Kids are just such a hassle…

          I don’t know if opening that door is going to, on balance, benefit the community.  Now, my individual case was a success.  We waited.  Now we have three beautiful kids, and one kid who’s sort of funny looking (I’m kidding about that, but we do have four kids).  Anyway, when you take the aggregate statistics, I just wonder what would happen if that suggestion became policy.  I have little doubt that trips to the fertility clinic would increase.  After all, that’s what happens with thirtysomething secular people who wait to have kids.  Why should orthodox who wait to have kids have any different results?

      • http://www.facebook.com/angelaegambrel Angela Elain Gambrel

        Where do you get the age of 27? If most Orthodox Jews marry young – say 18 or 19 – then taking a year or two to have children would make them 20 or 21, which is still young enough to have children. Many women delay having children until their mid to late twenties.

  • Esther

    Great article!! I AGREE!!

  • DG

    “People who marry at a young age that have children as per the script may
    find that their current situation is not desirable to them and they may
    want to leave or adjust their lives.”

    Do you really mean to say that people who don’t marry at a young age and don’t have kids young won’t find their situations undesirable to them? You seem to be saying that in other types of communities people don’t change their minds about what they want.

    Or do you simply mean that people in general — wherever they may be — may, as life progresses, find that their current situation is not desirable to them and they may want to leave or adjust their lives? And that in insular communities this is hard to do?

    • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

      Mostly the latter.

  • Anonymous

    Love your blog.

    i didn’t see the show, just some excerpts (wish i could find it somewhere). But i can’t believe R’ Shmuly really meant to say that everything is wonderful, he was just pushing his idealistic perspective (and his books also push that perspective of how things should be). He himself rants on and on all over the internet about the failures of society and especially men controlling marriages unfairly.  at least from what i have heard from youtube speeches from him, he thinks the marriage system (jewish and non-jewish) is not functioning correctly, but in his mind the fix isn’t to change from what we have done in the past, but instill core values that will allow it to work optimally. 
    I agree that he is a big self-promoter, but if he can spread a positive message more broadly to the jewish diaspora by such actions, it may be worth it for him to self-aggrandize. R’ Shmuly has lots of important friends, and appears to have helped many people come back to judaism, so be careful with how you deal with him publicly.

  • Ali

    Thank you for speaking out against this.  It’s a tiny step in the right direction.  Now, what can we do about campus  kiruv groups targeting secular kids away at college?

  • understanding

    ” A second option is to recognize that the insular community is not
    appealing to everyone and help bridge the gap between her desires to
    spread her wings and the reality of the family situation”
    i have been privileged to see this on 3 separate occasions and all three were children from williamsburgh – very chasidish backgrounds. each was handled differently and each worked out well

    A: son is 18 would like to be a “flatbush type” orthodox young man. he is coming from a family where the males wear the full regalia.  he explains it to his father i am commited to my religion but not to this lifestyle. father explains to him i love you i have 3 other boys that i would like them to grow up as chasidish lifestyle…i would like you to live day to day with a friend of ours and spend all holidays with us including a occasionally shabbos. know we love you only understand my problem. they did it it worked out extremely well for all parties

    b: a girl wanted to be more than a bookkeeper – which she was – a star employee in a jewish owned business office at age 18. parents set her up to be married – she was  turned down by the first two after explaining to her parents i spoke to my prospective husband about my desire to go to college. the third one said thats great. she got her degree in accounting she is married  – very chassidish – wear a hat and kerchief no wig shaves head etc…

    c: also a boy sparing details but similar vein.

    i think some of the parent out there have to realize this is a global world and we can’t force kids to live in a box anymore….rules must be set – expectation should be high – but listening to your kids and figuring out how to make things work are paramount

    thank you for a great piece

    • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

      This is very encouraging! Thanks for sharing.

  • Isaac

    Rabbi-loved this article,….very well said!

  • Queenkaren2001

    I watched the show and completely agree with you, not only about Rabbi Shmuley but also the sanctimonious modern-Orthodox man (payosless, perhaps Australian) and Dr. Phil himself all telling this poor girl to get rid of the anger.  They have no idea what that community is like and how women have absolutely no power whatsoever. Get rid of he anger, indeed.  Rabbi Shmuley should find another rock star to go to and teach Kabbalah and leave these issues to people who understand!. 

    • Ari

       Karen,
      I didn’t see the episode.  I barely know who the players are (except for Shmuley).

      Anyway, about the advice “Get rid of the anger.”

      I fully accept that this may be the worst advice in the history of advice.

      But it also might be the best way to make the best of a bad situation.  Maybe her life has been made bad by having too many kids, getting married too young, etc.  All of that probably stinks.  But what can she do about it?  Leave her husband and family?  Leave her husband and take the kids?  Turn to drugs or alcohol?  Make a big stink in her community about how unjust it is?  Some combination of all of the above?

      Suffice it to say that all of these courses of action have drawbacks.  Some of them have major, life changing and dangerous drawbacks.

      I cannot say how the future would be for anybody, no matter how well I knew them, as they choose which way to turn on the forks of life’s road.  Maybe “getting rid of her anger” and accepting things the way they are offers the best chance of long term contentment with the least risk of making things worse.

      Then again, maybe not.

    • deeemer

      I watched the show and know the modern-Orthodox man in question, who is upset because he said that his response/replies were heavily edited on the show.

      In general, though, this woman is behaving as if no one has difficult divorces and custody battles except for her, and it’s all Judaism’s fault.  Her ex is fighting her over their different lifestyles, as if no one who isn’t Jewish ever battled their ex in court for having different viewpoints in bringing up their children. 

      High-conflict marriages end in high-conflict divorces.  End of.  By ridding herself of some of the anger, she will present a better face to the court and will be heavily favored towards custody rights, she will spare her children some unnecessary grief in an already bitter battle, and she will find that her life seems fuller.

      I thought their advice was spot on.  Ranting and raving about how the world has it in for you, and how your parents and family and friends are to blame for everything might be correct, but it doesn’t let you move on.  And it certainly screws up your kids in an already awful situation.

  • Friedriki

    I read your article  and i see your point …i am sort of in this situation, i am chasidish ultra orthodox, i got married at 19 and have 2 kids with a guy i am not satisfied.. its been 4 years since im married, if i look back i defintly see changes on him and feel better..and you do need lots of help. but wait now think a bit holy , hashem wants something from us,we should fix each others and work out our midos, take someone that is not so good and make him good, take a person you didnt love and start loving him, once you accomplish some of this it feels great!         ( im not talking from ppl that actually hate and didnt want each others at all from Begining, i mean that if it was only my choice i just would  not choose him )
     im not here to say that ppl should be forced to get married young, but i can say that its good to be married young and you should encourage it, getting married young makes you mature, getting married young makes you love the one you got its all about being a good person and willing to work out things.. its an amazing avoida .

    another point it is false that all ppl dont know anything about outside world, maybe some.
    I knew everything before i got engaged i  was fully ready, thanks to my parents who never hid anything from me and always prepared me for the future..
     all i can say is that parents take the responability of these rebellious kids, if a kid is open with her parents and knows whats going on she wont agree to get married when she doesnt want, its her or her family problem and not orthodox Judaism. period!

  • GarnelIronheart

    If you invite a self-centered glory hound, you get a self-centered glory hound.  What else would you expect?
    You could invite Boteach for Shabbos dinner and he’d interrupt your zemiros to tell you about his book.  That’s just the way he is.
    Another thought: will Reich be a victim of the Feldman fallout?  Now that “Unorthodox” is turning out to be more fiction than fact, how do we know Reich isn’t simply using her public exposure (enhanced by her photogenic appearance) and the talk show circuit as a weapon against her husband in their custody battle?
    Women have falsely accused their husbands of sexually abusing their kids.  This might be seen as less harmful but just as effective – paint him as a cult member in a very dysfunctional cult, the truth be damned.

    • Anonymous

      Garnel –
      paint him as a cult member in a very dysfunctional cult, the truth be damned.

      What is the truth in this case? Many Charedi sects have turned into cults (or at least very close) over the last two generations.

      • GarnelIronheart

        I absolutely agree.  Did you read the recent pieces in the Israeli media on Ger chasidus?  Scary stuff.
        However, just because some Chasidim are like this does not mean that all Chasidim are like this.  I know a Gerrer couple, for example, who are completely unlike the stereotypes the media reports on.  So how do I know that Reich’s life was so awful and she’s just not playing to stereotype to get an advantage in court?

        • Anonymous


          Did you read the recent pieces in the Israeli media on Ger chasidus? 

          Yes, I read it. They’ve gone around the bend already.So how do I know that Reich’s life was so awful and she’s just not playing to stereotype to get an advantage in court?There is no way to know if she is playing for court or not, but no doubt at least part of what she is doing is playing for the court. But that isn’t what matters. What matters is what the judge thinks and if you look objectively at Chassidism in general, it shares a number of traits* with traditional cults. And if the judge agrees, by all rights, he should remove the children from the confines of the cult as soon as possible.* Look at this list (it’s a list that appears in similar form in numerous places, I just picked this one because it’s numbered) - http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htmMost Chassidic sects have 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 13, and 14 strongly. And 3, 10, and 12 moderately.

          • GarnelIronheart

            Hi Mark, the link doesn’t seem to work.

          • Anonymous

            Garnel, I fixed it. Try again.

  • Come on

    Wow you really missed the boat on this one. R’ Shmuly is much smarter than you think he is. He had one agenda on going on that show (OK I’ll grant he had a secondary agenda of self-promotion) which was to stress that while this is a terrible situation, it is not as wide-spread as pearl or her boyfriend would have the world believe (boyfriend actually mentioned hundreds of thousands of people like him which is patently and facially absurd). Nor is this situation, while sad, an intended outcome of members of the ultra-orthodox community. That is what he stressed and he was emphasizing that this is not the way in orthodox jewry not to promote his book, but to explain to the world that the orthodox community at large does not practice in this way, nor do they approve of this practice. 
    Give the man a little credit. He did a pretty good job.

    • ABritInNY

      Come on, I think you should check into his statement before talking, Shaully’s that is, an to clarify he meant the size of the Chassidish community that engages in shidduch arranged marriages does number in the many tens perhaps EVEN hundreds of thousands of people, plus there is a BIG  difference between orthodox and ultra-orthodox Chassidish and don’t even TRY AND PRETEND that Shmully Boteach is either Ultra orthodox Chassidish or not a Lubab/Chabad Oisvorf, ever since his L’chaim society fiasco @ oxford Uni in England to this day and even WERE Chabad considered Chassidish in the 1′st place (Note Hasidic and Chassidish are two completely different things) which it really isn’t, Chabad Lubavitcher girls are most def NOT considered suitable shidduch material (too ‘prost’ untzniousdik  “immodest” dress rules e.g Denim skirts with slits) for the mainstream Chassidish world and vice versa (Although occasionally it does still happen, espescially if the Lubab has money in which case much division can be forgiven ;-) They should have brought a Chassidish Rabbi instead to answer their claims but unlike Boteach they do not shamelessly promote themselves on TV, in fact they see TV as an abomination not fit for their homes or in their communities, so even this show will only filter thru 2′nd hand thru spoken word an become much corrupted like a game of Chinese whispers… It’s sad actually, but don’t dismiss his experience just bcos it wasn’t yours, as you come from very different worlds.

  • Anonymous

    Really enjoyed your response! Thanks!

  • Robbiesnyder4

    Excellent points about RShmuelie…what made it even worse was that he embarrased the South African fellow that earnestly called her out for being a model when in fact this fellow actually had the guts to tell it like it is. What R Shmuelie did was be ‘megaleh panim shel Torah shelo kihalacha’ which is very, very serious. That said, Ms. Reich and her boyfriend were incredibly disingenous as well… I live in Monsey and know people that know both of them and they are far from being Orthodox in any shape or form….Lastly I think that you go a bit too far…I think that most people in the system are hhappy…based on what I know and they are some changes that have occurred..She’s def from the most extreme ranks that don’t allow any choice…Her boyfriend by the way comes from a terible background…father was a drug addict..and thats not the worst of it

  • Mezzodiva54

    “It’s as if Rabbi Shmuley never heard of the insular communities of Williamsburg” et al.

    It’s as if Rabbi Shmuley were not a Lubavitcher Hassid.

  • G*3

    > does he care so much to establish how it is or is not in orthodox Judaism? Because his book is predicated on a make -believe version of Jewish marriage.
     
    I got the impression that he was doing damage control for the frum community. But maybe you’re right, and it was more base than that. Maybe he was just trying to protect his book sales.
     
    > Rabbi Shmuley also lies in front of the entire world.
     
    Yeah, almost everything he said was a lie.
     
    > as if Rabbi Shmuley never heard of the insular communities of Williamsburg, New Square, Kiryas Joel, or the less insular but still similar communities of Boro Park and Lakewood.
     
    Not to mention Crown Heights. Isn’t he a Lubavitcher?
     
    Another fun moment was at the beginning of the show when Rabbi Shmuley accused the other guests of being anti-Semitic. Apparently in his world, any criticism of a Jewish community is anti-Semitic.

  • Sandra

    In the general society, 50% of all marriages end up on the rocks. Most of the people on Dr. Phil’s show or shows like his are not Orthodox or Ultra-Orthodox.
    Falling in love before marriage does not result in happier, more stable or longer term relationships. While it is true that the first five years of “shidduch type” marriages are more difficult, the long term prognosis for “arranged marriages” or “arranged dates” are actually overall happier and more stable.
    That is not to say that there is not a trouble in the Haredi community; there certainly is -but troubled relationships run across the board – that is why self-help books & programs are skyrocketing. 
    A little intellectual honesty is in order here. 

    • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

      I agree.

      I still think there are tweaks that could really help. See: http://finkorswim.com/2012/03/06/turning-the-page-fixing-marriage-and-custody-in-the-ultra-orthodox-community/

    • Anonymous

      Sandra – In the general society, 50% of all marriages end up on the rocks. …

      Falling in love before marriage does not result in happier, more stable or longer term relationships. …
      A little intellectual honesty is in order here.

      Whether or not this (love before marriage resulting or not resulting in better relationship) is true, the main intellectual honesty needed here is to realize that exiting a marriage in this society is far more difficult than exiting a marriage in the general society. And this is true in all regards, from social to economic. And that’s exactly what she is trying to do – exit the marriage.

      • Sandra

        There may be exceptions to the rule, but as a WHOLE it is a lot simpler and quicker to obtain a GET than to obtain a civil divorce. 
        This is a fact, not my opinion. 
        I am involved in the legal community.

  • Leah

    Most cringe-worthy moment for me (from the clips I saw)? When she blasted the guy in the audience. A little decency, please.

    • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

      That’s not quite what happened. He was telling her that he knows what she is going through and she replied forcefully that he, as a modern orthodox man had NO IDEA what her world is like. And she was right.

      • Leah

        She could’ve said it less obnoxiously.

        • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

          Sure. Hardly a major issue in the grand scheme of things.

          • Leah

            Nope. 

  • http://twitter.com/ifti99 ifti99

    So lets see. You rip Shmuelys’ book even though you admit you havn’t even read it. You praise Pearl even though you admit “I don’t know any of the details of Ms. Reich’s life or her situation.”
    Here’s what you don’t grasp sitting thousands of miles away. It is alleged that Reich’s lifestyle is a complete horror show. Forget the religious aspect. That’s the tip of the iceberg. The completely impartial court report recommended she not get custody. Do you realize how rare that is? Not joint custody. No custody. Why do you think that happened? They felt she was a completely unfit mother, and it had nothing to do with her lack of respect for religion. It had EVERYTHING to do with her current lifestyle, or which you know zero. I’m constantly amazed at people like you that print out their opinions online without even having a modicom of facts at their disposal. Do yourself a favor. Find out the real story before you post nonsense.
    Thanks for playing!

    • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

      Nuance. Please learn it. The post is about a social phenomena that exists. That is a fact. It is not about Reich’s situation per se. It is about the environment that creates situations like hers.

    • Come on

      Well done sir! (or madam) 

  • Tellthetruth

    any chance I can get a link of the whole show?

  • Shlimiel

    I hate the way Rabbi Shmuley tries to placate Ms. Reich by watering down & distorting our religion.

    To paraphrase: “I don’t care if you wear pants, just be a good mom to your kids.”
    “No problem for a Jewish woman to be a model & actress” – I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t actually see the lewd photos of herself posted online (I unfortunately did.)
    “Judaism encourages a woman to advance in her professional career, I have 6 daughters and hope they maximize their potential” – really now, you would have no problem if your daughter decides to be a swimsuit model??

    Shame on him for kissing up to her and kudos to the very visibly modern-Orthodox fellow in the audience for standing up for the truth and pointing out the double standard this troubled soul of a woman is trying to rationalize as normal.  May G-d protect her kids from her and bring a wave of repentance in all our hearts.

    • http://laurele.livejournal.com laurele

      There are many Jewish actors and models, ranging from totally secular to Orthodox (Mayim Bialik). It  should not be considered a problem for a Jewish woman to be an actress and/or model. Otherwise, what do you propose those born with these talents do–just pretend they don’t have them? Forcing someone to deny their talents and gifts causes nothing but trauma and grief. There is a long and proud history of Jewish theater and involvement in the performing arts. Don’t these talents come from God? As an actress, singer, and writer, I would rather be dead than be denied the chance to express these parts of myself. Think of the tremendous agony it would cause young women (and men) if they had to essentially kill a part of themselves.

  • cf1

    i am a orthodox jewish woman living in lakewood, nj and it is completely untrue that you are forced to have a child every 18 months.  many many women use birth control.  yes you have to ask a rabbi first but they are all very understanding and even the most stringent rabbis allow it.  in addition i know many women who are divorced and the mother is always given custody unless she is unfit for some reason.  this story is not as black and white as it seems.  my sister was neighbors with pearlperry and there were not good things going on there.  i will not specify as i don’t know firsthand.  also what kind of mother drags their children into such controversy posts their picture for everyone to see.  her kids attend the regular orthodox schools here in lakewood and everyone knows everthing about them they must feel horrible and terribely confused.   i don’t know the whole story and there are always to sides but dragging the kids into like this is unforgiveable.

  • adam

    i think your over looking the fact that she took the ring she got herself into that situation which she completely denies i have many chassic friends that have many sisters and they watched the show and laughed because clearly shes made a mistake her marriage didnt go the way she thought. Does that invalidate chassidic dateing and marriage no!
     Peoples  community’s have the right to date marry the way they want to, you as a person have the option to get out. And you Pearl are wrong for committing to marry and bring up children, then leaving that lifestyle.Shes basically not orthodox at all, right after this whole marriage goes bad magically shes not orthodox  pieces of this puzzle dont add upif you want to attack the ultra orthodox world, because your no longer religious at all that should be considered an attack

    • adam

      rabbi fink your as modern orthodox as can be believed 
      you dont understand chassidic dating stop acting like you do
      do jews around the world a tova and meet chassidic girls and guys before there
      weddings youll see that there not as stupid as you think 
      youll see there not forced into anything 
      and that they like the lifestyle and dating that there parnets set up for them, and 100% are not forced into it im speaking as a married man with about 250 chassidic friends who I have spoken to about this and they all not brainwashed but free thinkers say they like what was step up in the society
      It takes an outsider to really spread lies and crazy cases where half information is given to write the things you wrote. 

      • adam

        seeing that you learned in ner yisroael is painful advice get your rosh yeashivas take on things before you embarrass yourself

  • note to america’s rabbi

    the real issue is that Shmuley Boteach is running fro congress, and how is he going to be able to save face as the ultra orthodox jew with the beard and have respect from his colleagues in congress if they think ultra orthodox is wacked out. When the american public hears romney is a Mormon, the first thing they think of is polygamy. He’s run a campaign for over a year of just plain ordinary people going about their life and then saying “I’m mormon” so that the american public isn’t frightened by that religious stream. Boteach has the same problem. Where do you think he intends to get money for his campaign…. not necessarily in the orthodox Jewish world.  Its says alot about Shmuley — what sort of congressman will he make? Will he just lie and cover up to fit the times, to go with the flow, to protect his own job? IS he willing to be controversial at times other than only when it suits him, i.e. selling more books? Did he do all in his power to enable Perry maintain custody? He, of all people knows a campaign needs money and so does a custody battle. Perry is now saying she doesnt have the money to continue her battle after the beit din an lawyers sucked close to $60,000 already. And she still is before a trial– which will cost tens of more. Shmuley knows what divorce is about– all the women in his immediate family (other than his own kids) are divorced. Why doesnt Shmuley at least help Perry get a decent job so she can support herself?

  • Unaova

    Excellent analysis, I completely agree with you about the rabbi’s treatment (or rather, glossing over) of Reich’s problem.

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