Walking the Tightrope of Tough Love

by rabbifink on January 26, 2012 · 19 comments

The Jewish Week has an exposé on the controversial Rosh Yeshiva of a certain yeshiva in Israel. For purposes of this blog post, it is irrelevant who this person is and what yeshiva he presides over. I have not met this rabbi nor have I ever been in his yeshiva. I have no personal experience to draw from. The issue I would like to address is a general issue brought to light in discussions about this rabbi (and others).

Examples of behavior by this rabbi include, emotional manipulation, intense yelling, embarrassment in public, forcing boys to wait for him for hours on end after he called them in for a meeting, insulting students, gathering information from student’s therapists, among other anti-social behaviors all designed to elicit change in the recipient of the abuse. I call it abuse because without justification it certainly is abusive. The question is whether or not there is justification.

The claim has been made that the rabbi is a genius or savant who understands human nature so well that there is a method to the madness. It usually works. Sometimes it does not. The victims of cases where it does not work are the ones who speak out. The others are appreciative that it did work and claim that the rabbi is amazing.

Similar claims have been made about other rabbis. Sometimes the rabbis are too touchy-feely. They hug or kiss their students in a non-sexual way and for many this is a welcome sign of affection. For others it is abuse. Other rabbis have been said to have hit students. Sometimes the hitting was playful or with camaraderie, like when an athlete congratulates another athlete with more force than the average person can bear. Other times the hitting is unequivocally abusive.

I find these sorts of claims, whether emotional or physical or sexual to be under one broad category. I think they show poor judgment on the part of the rabbi. I don’t think they show absolute abuse. However, in the absence of proper judgment some of the acts or even many of the acts may have been abusive. In other words, I don’t think rabbis with wacky methodologies are intrinsically evil. Nor do I think that their successes justify their sometimes erroneous behavior.

We all make mistakes. I am sure these rabbis would admit to having made mistakes in their dealings with people. We all do. Rabbis are human. They should be held to the standard of human beings. That is, the standard of people who err and regret things they have done. People are complex. They are not all good, nor are they all bad. Trying to put this rabbi in either of those categories is folly.

What bothers me most are the absolutists.

On the one hand you have people saying the man should be fired, removed, lynched, exposed, no matter what. On the other hand you have people explaining away all the wrong things that occur because “he’s a genius” or because he knows exactly what he is doing. Neither of these positions is reasonable.

If the rabbi has done something illegal, morally repugnant or harmful to a student we would not be having this conversation. He has not. Rather, he has tread a fine line of questionable behavior. If that line is crossed there are ways to handle it. But that does not mean that in the meantime the acts should be hidden. Nor does it mean that he should be given a free pass.

As always, balance is the key. Some people work best in non-conventional ways. Students know what they are in for when they sign up to learn in the rabbi’s yeshiva. That does not give the rabbi license to do as he pleases with no regard for human life. It means if you don’t want to be in that kind of environment, don’t go. But if this rabbi even puts one toe over the line, he begins a walk down a treacherous path. It is difficult to live that kind of life. It’s his life, he can choose to try to pull it off. To this point, there is no evidence he has crossed the line. But Lord help him, if he does.

In the meantime, I think it would wise for the rabbi to tone it down. I don’t know if he can, or if he wants to. But that would be my advice. If he is such a genius of human nature, I am sure he will figure out how to help his students while avoiding questionable behavior.

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  • http://twitter.com/bukin86 Daniel Bukingolts

    This “questionable” behavior worked for me and I am happy to have made aliyah recently and have my future children (beezras Hashem) grow up around such a tremendous Jewish leader and role model!

    • http://www.facebook.com/azigraber Azi Graber

      You may have not been bothered by whatever he did to you, but I think those who do feel that they were abused or harmed by him deserve more respect than having ‘questionable’ written in quotation marks.  

      • http://twitter.com/bukin86 Daniel Bukingolts

        Do you have some first hand knowledge that isn’t someone anonymous? Not saying that the Rosh Yeshiva doesn’t make mistakes but PLEASE tell me the article isn’t your only insight into what goes on at this yeshiva

        • http://finkorswim.com E. Fink

          Of the supporters of the rabbi, you are the only one I have seen “deny” the stories. You are also one of the people who places too much weight on the fact that the sources wish to remain anonymous. You make it sound like a witch hunt. It’s not.

          • http://www.facebook.com/azigraber Azi Graber

            @efink:disqus @twitter-56787055:disqus what the Rabbi said, plus there’s no rule that someone needs to yell out their name to make their story true. 
            The news covers rape cases without revealing the victims name. Whatever the reason is for their wish for anonymity, be it social or psychological, their claim isn’t any less valuable. 

          • http://twitter.com/bukin86 Daniel Bukingolts

            huh?? Thats impossible because a lot of these types of stories happened to ME! Where did I deny the stories? I think that from a jewish perspective does halacha allow for anonymous articles like these?? If not then aren’t we obligated to not believe them?

          • http://www.facebook.com/azigraber Azi Graber

            @twitter-56787055:disqus who cares about a what the Jewish perspective is. Being a law abiding Jews doesn’t mean you have to be a naive dummy. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/azigraber Azi Graber

    “Rabbis are human. They should be held to the standard of human beings. That is, the standard of people who err and regret things they have done.” 
    True, but shouldn’t parents have a right to assume that the person entrusted with the care of their children are treating them well? A Rabbi is human and may err on occasion, but that isn’t the point of criticism. It’s the man who is abusing his role as caretaker and authority figure that is being criticized, and rightfully so. 

  • Kishmirintukis

    So much of Judaism is based on the “wisdom” and ‘Knowledge” of rabbis of the past and current “gedolim” that it is easy for a rabbi to take his title and think he is infallible.  There are rabbis who may fall short of great torah knowledge who are warm and wonderful humans.  There are others who have great torah knowledge and are miserable and insufferable human beings.  I’ve met both kinds.

  • Brad Sugar

    Frankly, I’m surprised at the LACK of evidence that was put in the story…considering that there is a staggering amount. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of Rav Bina’s former students are hesitant to come out against him for fear of the repercussions on their current livlihoods or community standing. But make no mistake about it – these are not just allegations. They are true. I am one of his “victims” – if you can even call it that. He cold-cocked me on the first tiyul we had on a Friday, simply because I hasn’t shaved prior to Shabbat. Was it physical abuse? I don’t know, it didn’t leave a mark. Was it justifiable behavior? Absolutely not. What really wasn’t discussed at length in the article was the emotional abuse he caused for those with weight problems, or those that had very elementary questions about G-d’s existence – those students were simply called kofrim in public. 

    I cannot deny the profound impact this man has had on other people’s lives – but people also simply cannot ignore the downright disgusting things this man has done. 

    • http://twitter.com/bukin86 Daniel Bukingolts

      Were fat kids picked on? I guess if you have a vendetta against Rav Bina it can be considered “picking on”. What Brad fails to mention is that Rav Bina ENCOURAGED kids to lose weight, albeit in his unique fashion, with sets of shas and other types of prizes to get healthy and fit. Rav Bina is not perfect!! Rav Bina has very unorthodox methods for us spoiled Americans, but doesn’t make him an abuser. As Brad noticed, the lack of evidence is deafening!

      • Brad Sugar

        Daniel – it has nothing to do with him being perfect. No one expects him to be. But just because a man does fantastic, even holy things – doesn’t excuse methodologies which many would (and do) claim to be verbal and physical abuse. I’m not calling for his ouster – but the fact that you and many others seem to be blindly ignoring some of the obvious and serious allegations here reeks of stockholm syndrome. 

  • Brad Sugar

    Whoah, sorry for the double posting. Computer issues.

  • Brad Sugar

    Frankly, I’m surprised at the LACK of evidence that was put in the story…considering that there is a staggering amount. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of Rav Bina’s former students are hesitant to come out against him for fear of the repercussions on their current livlihoods or community standing. But make no mistake about it – these are not just allegations. They are true. I am one of his “victims” – if you can even call it that. He cold-cocked me on the first tiyul we had on a Friday, simply because I hasn’t shaved prior to Shabbat. Was it physical abuse? I don’t know, it didn’t leave a mark. Was it justifiable behavior? Absolutely not. What really wasn’t discussed at length in the article was the emotional abuse he caused for those with weight problems, or those that had very elementary questions about G-d’s existence – those students were simply called kofrim in public. 

    I cannot deny the profound impact this man has had on other people’s lives – but people also simply cannot ignore the downright disgusting things this man has done. 

  • Mike S

    I am not sure your assumption that people know what they are signing up for is correct.   Yes, many do.  But first of all, there is a big difference between hearing about how a charismatic teacher treats students and experiencing it first hand.  And, more important, not everyone is well plugged into  informal sources of information.  I attended a meeting with a recruiter for the institution mentioned when my son was of the appropriate age–the recruiter did not describe the RY unconventional techniques.

  • http://twitter.com/bukin86 Daniel Bukingolts

    If these men are abused in Netiv Aryeh how come no one has gone to the police? If there are any cases of real abuse they should be investigated and ANY rabbi including Rav Bina should be brought to justice and pay for his heinous crimes. From my experience, the guys I know who complain do so to justify their current life style choices (not saying everyone!!)

    • Brad Sugar

      My best guess is that the term “abuse” in Israel has a significantly different meaning and law associated with it. Also, when you’re 18 years old – without your parents for the first time in your life (at an institution they sent you to), and the only authoritative figures are the ones perpetrating the alleged behaviors – exactly what are they supposed to do? 

    • http://www.facebook.com/azigraber Azi Graber

      @twitter-56787055:disqus , @google-d8d35608565c5e4e6bb6bc569329fd95:disqus  is exactly right, abuse can be used to define many things in this country, in Israel however, people are generally tougher and so it would be viewed differently. And also, these things weren’t necessarily crimes that required police involvement, they were psychological abuses that just needed some type of intervention.
      In general your permitted attitude is analogous to frat boys defending their horrible hazing rituals. Or like graduates of British Public School’s (= equivalent to US private schools) considering all the homoerotic actions that occur in the dorms against the freshmen are just a normal part of growing up in school. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5TFA2LNGNXLLMLJJ6GVEK23BQ Willbe

    Whether the rabbi’s conduct was halachic or not, or appropriate in our zeitgeist or not, is a debate that must happen.

    However – I object to the article’s implication that anyone went “off the derech” because of Rav Bina’s methods.

    Several studies (including Margolese’s book “Off The Derech”) have consistently shown that the cause of going OTD (if there is a cause) is physical/emotional abuse/neglect AT HOME, during childhood and early adolescence.

    Granted, if an already emotionally fragile 18-year-old boy goes to Rav Bina, it won’t help him come closer to observance.

    However, one who already had a healthy, personal connection to G-d and a personal commitment to Torah observance at age 18, will not suddenly go OTD because of one yeshiva experience.

    It’s disingenuous for the article to mention a few of these students are OTD, without giving more background information, and asking them what their emotional status re: Judaism was BEFORE attending Netiv Aryeh.

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