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	<title>Comments on: Mad Men Era Lives On in the White House</title>
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		<title>By: rabbifink</title>
		<link>http://finkorswim.com/2009/10/26/mad-men-era-lives-on-in-the-white-house/#comment-1139</link>
		<dc:creator>rabbifink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is only a valid point if we assume that the ONLY &quot;bonding&quot; Obama EVER DOES is on the basketball court. I can&#039;t imagine that is the case.

And most of his &quot;playmates&quot; are not even administration members. They are friends and pseudo-celebrities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is only a valid point if we assume that the ONLY &#8220;bonding&#8221; Obama EVER DOES is on the basketball court. I can&#8217;t imagine that is the case.</p>
<p>And most of his &#8220;playmates&#8221; are not even administration members. They are friends and pseudo-celebrities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Offwinger</title>
		<link>http://finkorswim.com/2009/10/26/mad-men-era-lives-on-in-the-white-house/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>Offwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not understanding my point.

A regular pick-up game is NOT silly.

It&#039;s an opportunity to build stronger relationships with coworkers and your boss (the president). It&#039;s also an opportunity to have someone&#039;s ear and discuss things in a low-key setting.

Things come up at these games. Everyone shoots around to warm up. You chat about stuff. Usually, it&#039;s casual (how are the kids doing?) or goofy trashtalking. That stuff MATTERS. It&#039;s the glue that holds social relationships together. You build common ground. You gain familiarity and trust. Also, sometimes work stuff comes up out of nowhere, and you wind up having a conversation that actually has some effect.

Obama deserves credit for the general inclusiveness of his administration, but that does not entitle him to a pass for failing to recognize one of the most subtle ways in which women are excluded in the current workplace. It&#039;s about socialization and the access and opportunity that these kinds of &quot;games&quot; offer.

I may not agree with the approach NOW has taken, and I wouldn&#039;t necessarily agree that this is a high priority concern compared to others, but it is very real. I wonder if maybe you&#039;ve never participated in these kinds of events in a workplace setting to see the access it gives you to people you wouldn&#039;t otherwise get a chance to talk to, whether it&#039;s through company softball or pick-up basketball games with colleagues, or golf outings (a popular place for deals to be made), which is why you think it&#039;s just a silly game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not understanding my point.</p>
<p>A regular pick-up game is NOT silly.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an opportunity to build stronger relationships with coworkers and your boss (the president). It&#8217;s also an opportunity to have someone&#8217;s ear and discuss things in a low-key setting.</p>
<p>Things come up at these games. Everyone shoots around to warm up. You chat about stuff. Usually, it&#8217;s casual (how are the kids doing?) or goofy trashtalking. That stuff MATTERS. It&#8217;s the glue that holds social relationships together. You build common ground. You gain familiarity and trust. Also, sometimes work stuff comes up out of nowhere, and you wind up having a conversation that actually has some effect.</p>
<p>Obama deserves credit for the general inclusiveness of his administration, but that does not entitle him to a pass for failing to recognize one of the most subtle ways in which women are excluded in the current workplace. It&#8217;s about socialization and the access and opportunity that these kinds of &#8220;games&#8221; offer.</p>
<p>I may not agree with the approach NOW has taken, and I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily agree that this is a high priority concern compared to others, but it is very real. I wonder if maybe you&#8217;ve never participated in these kinds of events in a workplace setting to see the access it gives you to people you wouldn&#8217;t otherwise get a chance to talk to, whether it&#8217;s through company softball or pick-up basketball games with colleagues, or golf outings (a popular place for deals to be made), which is why you think it&#8217;s just a silly game.</p>
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		<title>By: rabbifink</title>
		<link>http://finkorswim.com/2009/10/26/mad-men-era-lives-on-in-the-white-house/#comment-1137</link>
		<dc:creator>rabbifink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me. I am not trivializing the barriers women face in the workplace. NOW is doing that.

They are using a silly basketball game to try and illustrate a real issue. That is trivializing the real issue.

Instead of crediting Obama with giving women great opportunities in his administration, NOW focuses on a non-issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me. I am not trivializing the barriers women face in the workplace. NOW is doing that.</p>
<p>They are using a silly basketball game to try and illustrate a real issue. That is trivializing the real issue.</p>
<p>Instead of crediting Obama with giving women great opportunities in his administration, NOW focuses on a non-issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Offwinger</title>
		<link>http://finkorswim.com/2009/10/26/mad-men-era-lives-on-in-the-white-house/#comment-1136</link>
		<dc:creator>Offwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not NBA level basketball. This is a rec level pick-up game. There is no reason women should NOT have been invited.

When people talk about glass ceiling and exclusive behavior that exists today, it&#039;s not about refusal to hire. It&#039;s about being able to participate in the social networking activities that allow for career growth. This includes golfing and pick-up basketball.

Does that mean that most or even more than a few people would be interested? Probably not. When I organized regular faculty-student pick-up games, I always made it clear that women were welcome and invited to play. But to be honest, the reality is that once we had a solid group coming that already had some level of experience or skill on the court, we had a hard time getting more than one or two other women or older faculty members of either gender to want to run with us. And I&#039;ve always been a bit concerned that my overuse of sports references and analogies is exclusionary of non-sports fan, a group that is disproportionately female.

Is NOW over-reacting? There are more important things to worry about. However, you&#039;re trivializing a completely legitimate complaint about the barriers that women face in the workplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not NBA level basketball. This is a rec level pick-up game. There is no reason women should NOT have been invited.</p>
<p>When people talk about glass ceiling and exclusive behavior that exists today, it&#8217;s not about refusal to hire. It&#8217;s about being able to participate in the social networking activities that allow for career growth. This includes golfing and pick-up basketball.</p>
<p>Does that mean that most or even more than a few people would be interested? Probably not. When I organized regular faculty-student pick-up games, I always made it clear that women were welcome and invited to play. But to be honest, the reality is that once we had a solid group coming that already had some level of experience or skill on the court, we had a hard time getting more than one or two other women or older faculty members of either gender to want to run with us. And I&#8217;ve always been a bit concerned that my overuse of sports references and analogies is exclusionary of non-sports fan, a group that is disproportionately female.</p>
<p>Is NOW over-reacting? There are more important things to worry about. However, you&#8217;re trivializing a completely legitimate complaint about the barriers that women face in the workplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Men Era Lives On in the White House &#124; JewPI</title>
		<link>http://finkorswim.com/2009/10/26/mad-men-era-lives-on-in-the-white-house/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Men Era Lives On in the White House &#124; JewPI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] equal opportunities? Most people would say, “of course not”. But there are those who disagree. Read More &#187; Share and Enjoy:Tags: class citizens, equal opportunities, mad men, place in time, time and space  [...]</description>
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